I asked my friend in the US for his thoughts this morning and he messaged...
"You know it’s going to hurt.
On the plus side. America finally admits to itself and the world what it now is: not a shining city on a hill, not the last best hope for mankind, not a land of high ideals and principles.
It’s a mean spirited, dull witted, lazy, over-sugared huckster with zero attention span and no understanding of the past or the future."
My take on the election: America bought itself a million-dollar bag of hopium. Fantasy beats reality any old day. The big man told 'em, “Don't you worry now, I'll take care of everything." Ronald Reagan was a movie actor; Trump is better, he played a billionaire on TV.
I'm not sure Bush helped things much with a series of questionable foreign policy choices. I remember meeting Americans when travelling Europe who said it was easier to just say they were Canadian.
I'm waiting for Trump to pick up where he left off with COVID before Joe & Kamala had to come in and fix it and get this country back on track. He has to come up with another virus this time though and I'm pretty sure they made sure they packed in plenty of food truck morgues for this next occasion. The FH's even learned to handle 10x the bodies they were accustomed to. THEN I'm packing up.
I wonder how "heinous" she would have been if she was NOT Vice President LOL! In other words "Any warm Body. Insert Vile Words. Instant heinousity." Jesus could have run against Trump and you'd have called him heinous too. LOL!!!
Absolutely untrue. You are putting false words into my mouth. Had Bernie Sanders, for example, been the nominee I would have used the word "acceptable", but for a genocide cheerleader like Harris, heinous fits to a tee. If genocide isn't a red line for you, you have no red lines.
I spoke to my brother in Australia yesterday and I asked him who he thought would win......I said Harris............he said TRUMP! When I asked him why, he said because AMERICANS are f...ing STUPID
And you could have used the same reasoning had Kamala won.. Americans are effing stupid. This election was ultimately a choice between deciding whether you wanted polio or cancer.
Pernicious nonsense. The choice was comparable to that between a stubbed toe and needing to having your leg amputated. Or maybe you, who seem to feel qualified to assess the average intelligence of Americans, are unable to distinguish between an admittedly mediocre candidate and a perfectly horrific one, which is to say the one elected.
A "medicore candidate" definition of which is a genicide supporter and enabler, actively seeking to suppress free speech at every opportunity, serial liar, diehard war hawk, who pays endless fealty to the MIC Big Oil big Pharma and Wall Street. And one who stands for nothing, no consistent policy or even moral commitment on anything.
You continue to demonstrate conclusively a lack of comprehension of reality. Like I said utterly brainwashed.
Listen, Doug, all she needed to do to seem infinitely superior to Trump in my eyes was not (1) suggest that allowing the police to do just as they please for one day would instantly eliminate criminality, (2) threaten to sic the military on those (“the enemy within”) of political views unlike his own and (3) implacably demonize immigrants. Not a lot to ask. That he’s a rage-filled, hateful, delusional sociopath who can’t speak coherently for more than four seconds at a stretch should be unmistakable to all. And you’re calling ME brainwashed?
Well I can see that you missed out on kamala's experience as AG in california. She kept thousands of people in prison beyond their sentence so that they could continue working for the State of California free of charge. She withheld exculpatory evidence on multiple capital offenses belligerently until the courts forced her to release the evidence freeing these prisoners. She was the head of a large task force investigating crimes during the mortgage, they uncovered over a thousand serious felonies committed by Countrywide mortgage. As they were moving towards prosecution the CEO of Countrywide donated some money to kamala's campaign and she in turn disbanded the task force and no charges were ever filed.
To suggest that she is somehow less Pro police than Trump is not only laughable in the extreme but indicative of the fact that you don't know what you're talking about. And this could be one of two things you're either completely propagandized or utterly ignorant of the facts I'll let you choose.
I had heard murmurs before her election but these are the first outright allegations of serious breach of personal conduct in her professional duties! Thanks for putting the information out there.
"A mediocre candidate"? Utter, utter nonsense. Kamala is a genocide-committer. She belongs in prison for life for all the harm she has done and was committed to keep doing. Sheesh!
Yes indeed there are a great many highly intelligent Americans. I think it's a matter of some lacking in a decent education, too many gullible folks, easily led, but that's the case in all countries. Religion plays a part, especially at the cult level as seems the case with the Maga GOP.
Propaganda works to benefit the rich and powerful otherwise they wouldn't do it.
Scary times, I hope peace and democracy prevails in the US.
Sadly can't say same for Gaza and other countries in middle east.
Thanks for all that highly accurate summation, Laura.
Well, we Americans love our money, our corporations, our power and our influence. This is the sword that we shall die on. Soon to be 36 trillion in debt and neither candidate so much as mentioned it because they did not need to. Our media lost its independence long ago, our education system never touches on critical thinking and we have become a large nation of over fed, under exercised morons who love our bread and circuses. Probably 99% of us don't know where Gaza is or why it has its own strip. We are an empire well into decline and we were one of the absolute worst with the absolute best propaganda machine in history. For women's rights, today is a day of great shame.
All true, but what you say can be applied to many other countries as well. As the biggest bully, they tend to blame us and ignore the dangerous road they themselves are going down.
I’m embarrassed to be an American today, and it’s not for the first time. So many are so content in their ignorance. I’m so tired, but all we can do is keep working at it. My head is falling off from shaking it so much.
Fair enough, but would you take Donald Trump over Keir Starmer, whatever Starmer's shortcomings? I'd almost have taken Liz fucking Truss over Trump. An arrogant idiot, to be sure, but not a fascist.
It’s this: millions of us Americans felt we did not have a viable choice that represented us; I believe that millions of Brits felt the same way in their last election. Democracy is an illusion for both of us.
And the fact of your inability to punctuate a simple English sentence speaks at least thin volume about the insufficiency of the American educational system
Starmer is an outright faschist! Arrest and denial of free speech, funding and aiding and abetting genocide, conducting smears against the former labor leader, etc!
I think someone should do a film like Matt Walsh in what is a woman. He found out as did we, that most people can't even Define what a woman is therefore, a man claiming to be a woman, is totally fine. I think we should also have a movie called what is a fascist because I think that 9 out of 10 people who run around calling Trump a fascist have absolutely no idea what a fascist is. It's just one of those Buzz words that people use in order to make themselves look smart.
Fascism is the melding of the state with the corporate sector. America has been fascist for a very long time as have most western countries. The fact that, until now, we have maintained a pretext of voting choice and allowed vigorous debate within defined parameters (see Chomsky) doesn't change the fact that whichever party wins in any western state (North America, Europe, Russia), the oligarchs interests are the first priority of the government. The difference in this age is that fascism is now resorting to using Nazi type tactics to expand and maintain its power. Israel's genocide of Palestinians on behalf of North American and European interests is just one example. The narrowing of the parameters within which citizens are allowed to debate in North American and European countries (following Russia's example) is the warning that the Nazi type tactics will be used at home and, in fact, have been used already.
More exciting news: Katherine Viner (ed.) has laid out how the Guardian will stand up to Trump in the next four years, so non-stop moaning from their rich columnists at home and in NY. As far as I'm concerned Trump is the lesser of two evils by a considerable margin, which shows how far I think the Democrats, now the Neoconservative and Big Pharma Party, has sunk, and how terrible their campaign was,.
And you hit the nail on the head when you said only those full of hatred are allowed a voice (or words to that effect). Apparently it’s just easier to hate.
"Hatred is what makes America the greatest nation on earth (apart from Israel)." - hard hitting truth, many people in the world view America in this way, not the way the peace lovin' folk tend to think of themselves.
I asked my friend in the US for his thoughts this morning and he messaged...
"You know it’s going to hurt.
On the plus side. America finally admits to itself and the world what it now is: not a shining city on a hill, not the last best hope for mankind, not a land of high ideals and principles.
It’s a mean spirited, dull witted, lazy, over-sugared huckster with zero attention span and no understanding of the past or the future."
My take on the election: America bought itself a million-dollar bag of hopium. Fantasy beats reality any old day. The big man told 'em, “Don't you worry now, I'll take care of everything." Ronald Reagan was a movie actor; Trump is better, he played a billionaire on TV.
And Trump will soon be hiring Hannibal Lechter for a position in his cabinet and dedicating a statue to Arnold Palmer's.
Your friend is smarter than the President!
I'm smarter than the P-dent and I don't do public porn just to get attention either.
Is it just me or is the whole world getting tired of this country?
I'm not sure Bush helped things much with a series of questionable foreign policy choices. I remember meeting Americans when travelling Europe who said it was easier to just say they were Canadian.
I'm waiting for Trump to pick up where he left off with COVID before Joe & Kamala had to come in and fix it and get this country back on track. He has to come up with another virus this time though and I'm pretty sure they made sure they packed in plenty of food truck morgues for this next occasion. The FH's even learned to handle 10x the bodies they were accustomed to. THEN I'm packing up.
YES!
Your friend, I assume was in favor of equally heinous Kamala.
I wonder how "heinous" she would have been if she was NOT Vice President LOL! In other words "Any warm Body. Insert Vile Words. Instant heinousity." Jesus could have run against Trump and you'd have called him heinous too. LOL!!!
Absolutely untrue. You are putting false words into my mouth. Had Bernie Sanders, for example, been the nominee I would have used the word "acceptable", but for a genocide cheerleader like Harris, heinous fits to a tee. If genocide isn't a red line for you, you have no red lines.
Genocide is a red line for me. That’s why I would NEVER vote for Trump.
Congratulations on understanding what polarised means ;-)
I spoke to my brother in Australia yesterday and I asked him who he thought would win......I said Harris............he said TRUMP! When I asked him why, he said because AMERICANS are f...ing STUPID
And you could have used the same reasoning had Kamala won.. Americans are effing stupid. This election was ultimately a choice between deciding whether you wanted polio or cancer.
"Spare a thought for the stay-at-home voter
His empty eyes gaze at strange beauty shows
And a parade of the gray suited grafters
A choice of cancer or polio."
--Jagger & Richards, 1968
Thank you for reminding me. The whole song. The wise ones are eternal.
Indeed. And you're very welcome.
Pernicious nonsense. The choice was comparable to that between a stubbed toe and needing to having your leg amputated. Or maybe you, who seem to feel qualified to assess the average intelligence of Americans, are unable to distinguish between an admittedly mediocre candidate and a perfectly horrific one, which is to say the one elected.
A "medicore candidate" definition of which is a genicide supporter and enabler, actively seeking to suppress free speech at every opportunity, serial liar, diehard war hawk, who pays endless fealty to the MIC Big Oil big Pharma and Wall Street. And one who stands for nothing, no consistent policy or even moral commitment on anything.
You continue to demonstrate conclusively a lack of comprehension of reality. Like I said utterly brainwashed.
Listen, Doug, all she needed to do to seem infinitely superior to Trump in my eyes was not (1) suggest that allowing the police to do just as they please for one day would instantly eliminate criminality, (2) threaten to sic the military on those (“the enemy within”) of political views unlike his own and (3) implacably demonize immigrants. Not a lot to ask. That he’s a rage-filled, hateful, delusional sociopath who can’t speak coherently for more than four seconds at a stretch should be unmistakable to all. And you’re calling ME brainwashed?
Well I can see that you missed out on kamala's experience as AG in california. She kept thousands of people in prison beyond their sentence so that they could continue working for the State of California free of charge. She withheld exculpatory evidence on multiple capital offenses belligerently until the courts forced her to release the evidence freeing these prisoners. She was the head of a large task force investigating crimes during the mortgage, they uncovered over a thousand serious felonies committed by Countrywide mortgage. As they were moving towards prosecution the CEO of Countrywide donated some money to kamala's campaign and she in turn disbanded the task force and no charges were ever filed.
To suggest that she is somehow less Pro police than Trump is not only laughable in the extreme but indicative of the fact that you don't know what you're talking about. And this could be one of two things you're either completely propagandized or utterly ignorant of the facts I'll let you choose.
I had heard murmurs before her election but these are the first outright allegations of serious breach of personal conduct in her professional duties! Thanks for putting the information out there.
"A mediocre candidate"? Utter, utter nonsense. Kamala is a genocide-committer. She belongs in prison for life for all the harm she has done and was committed to keep doing. Sheesh!
Only because she was there. If she hadn't been there, they would have just inserted any other name where hers was.
Obviously, a great many of us are. And a great many of can stand toe to toe intellectually with even the brainiest Aussie!
Yes indeed there are a great many highly intelligent Americans. I think it's a matter of some lacking in a decent education, too many gullible folks, easily led, but that's the case in all countries. Religion plays a part, especially at the cult level as seems the case with the Maga GOP.
Propaganda works to benefit the rich and powerful otherwise they wouldn't do it.
Scary times, I hope peace and democracy prevails in the US.
Sadly can't say same for Gaza and other countries in middle east.
And years of intentional dumbing down.
Gaslit nation, America she is…
Aussies are equally stupid.
And he is correct. Exactly what i came away with. But either useless tool,same outcome. Ignorance r us.
Got that right!!! LOL. And if they are that stupid, that MAKES Trump a genius. Anybody can preside over a pack of idiots, even a pet sloth.
Thanks for all that highly accurate summation, Laura.
Well, we Americans love our money, our corporations, our power and our influence. This is the sword that we shall die on. Soon to be 36 trillion in debt and neither candidate so much as mentioned it because they did not need to. Our media lost its independence long ago, our education system never touches on critical thinking and we have become a large nation of over fed, under exercised morons who love our bread and circuses. Probably 99% of us don't know where Gaza is or why it has its own strip. We are an empire well into decline and we were one of the absolute worst with the absolute best propaganda machine in history. For women's rights, today is a day of great shame.
All true, but what you say can be applied to many other countries as well. As the biggest bully, they tend to blame us and ignore the dangerous road they themselves are going down.
Hi Weston
And Palestinian women’s rights?
The right to EXIST!
Not happening under either “candidate”.
We have candidates who are entirely beholden to the military complex, plain and simple. That is who runs our country now.
I’m embarrassed to be an American today, and it’s not for the first time. So many are so content in their ignorance. I’m so tired, but all we can do is keep working at it. My head is falling off from shaking it so much.
I sure wish we could have the fine leadership you Brits have!
Fair enough, but would you take Donald Trump over Keir Starmer, whatever Starmer's shortcomings? I'd almost have taken Liz fucking Truss over Trump. An arrogant idiot, to be sure, but not a fascist.
It’s this: millions of us Americans felt we did not have a viable choice that represented us; I believe that millions of Brits felt the same way in their last election. Democracy is an illusion for both of us.
They're all fascists the fact that you don't recognize that speaks volumes about the effectiveness of brainwashing..
And the fact of your inability to punctuate a simple English sentence speaks at least thin volume about the insufficiency of the American educational system
First of all look who's writing. Grammar critique, the last refuge of the fact and cognition challenged.
You could have put a comma after sentence!
Really! We mustn’t forget our periods. Let us hear it for British “Grands Ecoles”!!
I will take them all, if I could, and put them on an island very far away from all of us.
Starmer is an outright faschist! Arrest and denial of free speech, funding and aiding and abetting genocide, conducting smears against the former labor leader, etc!
Indeed a creep of the first order .
I think someone should do a film like Matt Walsh in what is a woman. He found out as did we, that most people can't even Define what a woman is therefore, a man claiming to be a woman, is totally fine. I think we should also have a movie called what is a fascist because I think that 9 out of 10 people who run around calling Trump a fascist have absolutely no idea what a fascist is. It's just one of those Buzz words that people use in order to make themselves look smart.
Fascism is the melding of the state with the corporate sector. America has been fascist for a very long time as have most western countries. The fact that, until now, we have maintained a pretext of voting choice and allowed vigorous debate within defined parameters (see Chomsky) doesn't change the fact that whichever party wins in any western state (North America, Europe, Russia), the oligarchs interests are the first priority of the government. The difference in this age is that fascism is now resorting to using Nazi type tactics to expand and maintain its power. Israel's genocide of Palestinians on behalf of North American and European interests is just one example. The narrowing of the parameters within which citizens are allowed to debate in North American and European countries (following Russia's example) is the warning that the Nazi type tactics will be used at home and, in fact, have been used already.
Remembering that 'Nazi' is short for 'National Socialism'.
Fascists stick together- isn't that what rich straight white (orange) American men are doing?
I think Trump started out on some ego trip- now he's just a confused puppet of BlackRock.
And in so doing make themselves look stupid, as when Trump and his even stupider sons do when they call people like Kamala Harris Marxists or Commies.
Hey, I was just trying to protect my countries' honor!
America? Honor?!!? Please.
Sarcasm is hard to convey in a text, sorry...
Not bad tho' !
If someone comes across as ignorant/stupid/right wing/hypocritical they might be all those thigs and worse but not have the brains to be a fascist .
I don’t believe fascism to have a significant intellectual component. Seems pretty visceral to me.
Can it not be both ?
Satire?
I hope that is a joke .
Lol
I hope that was a joke ?
Satire falls very flat today.
Well worth a cup of coffee, Laura! More of this please (so more coffee too)...
I could've hardly said it better, or written it more incisively, myself.
In the end, Israel is the real clear winner ….. they got all 538 electoral votes …😂
More exciting news: Katherine Viner (ed.) has laid out how the Guardian will stand up to Trump in the next four years, so non-stop moaning from their rich columnists at home and in NY. As far as I'm concerned Trump is the lesser of two evils by a considerable margin, which shows how far I think the Democrats, now the Neoconservative and Big Pharma Party, has sunk, and how terrible their campaign was,.
What a great day to be a genocidal maniac and a hate-monger.
Pleased to meet you , hope you guess my name. My friends just call me Lucifer
He’s not even wearing the mask anymore.
Trump mirrors 'murica; crass, bloated, malevolent, vain, & fullashite.
Harris is the emptiest husk the Machine has ever put forward as chief puppet, transparently vapid.
Someone should go back in time & sink Columbus' boats.
I like it, but let’s not forget the colonial powers who sent out the boats, all over the world.
Well said, Rebel!
Scary times, with another fascist dictactor at the helm. Too depressing to contemplate.
Both parties stink. The dems will happily shit on you, The GOP will shit on you, say it's your fault and rub it in your face.
And you hit the nail on the head when you said only those full of hatred are allowed a voice (or words to that effect). Apparently it’s just easier to hate.
The media loves it. Hate fires up emotions, which sells advertising.
"Hatred is what makes America the greatest nation on earth (apart from Israel)." - hard hitting truth, many people in the world view America in this way, not the way the peace lovin' folk tend to think of themselves.