The BBC concluded with: “At least 54,607 people have been killed in Gaza since then, including 4,335 since Israel resumed its offensive on 18 March, according to the Hamas-run Gaza health ministry.”
Is BBC writing “Hamas-run Gaza health ministry” meant to invalidate the IOF atrocities, crimes against humanity, and genocide?
It's a criticism I hear so often and the reason so many Israel apologists doubt the fatality figures they give. Yet time and again, throughout its history, it's figures have been proved to be accurate and correct. The fact that the Gaza health ministry is run by a despicable group like Hamas, whose terrorist acts not only harm Israelis but the Palestinians too, doesn't alter that.
Are you being sarcastic, or are you actually calling Hamas a “despicable group”?
Who the fuck do you think provided services for the Gazans? Built schools and universities? Maintained roads and water supplies? Did everything a governmental body is supposed to do?
You DO, realize, asshole, that the vast majority of the world’s nations do not classify Hamas as a “terrorist organization”? Only Amerikkka and its bitches.
And you clearly believe that history began on 10/7/23.
Your brain’s been twisted into a pretzel, shithead.
Ah, yes, my dear gyp, so well said. Anyone using that language is brain-rotted by Zionist propaganda -- so many available sources out there to provide that rubbish.
So Hitler and streaming l Stalin are OK? They built hospitals, schools and universities too, but they're despicable. Any murderer is despicable in my book. Our lives are the one thing we truly own and anyone who takes that away from us is despicable in my book.
Gypsy33, As usual, I share your views. The substance of your comment is accurate and true. However, your inclusion of abusive name calling does you no credit and more importantly, will reduce your credibility and the very real and accurate understanding you share about the realities of the genocidal actions of Netayahu led Zionist Israel.
Yes, you did. I'm sorry for repeating my response. As I said, I do share your views and your passion for truth, honesty, compassion and what is 'humane', yet seems fast disappearing from humanity.
I am slum raised and and as capable of what you call 'cowgirl speak' and what my society called 'gutter talk', indeed at times I still revert to it instinctively when pushed in face to face confrontation with puerile dolts, right wing ideolgues and common 'fuckwits' but mostly, I avoid it because although it is 'in my blood' so to speak, I recognise that it will damage my credibility.
However, I accept that such is who I am, not who you are. So, I will try and remember and not repeat my advice. I meant no ill - on the contrary - I value your beliefs for they are right and just, I simply would prefer that they were widely considered and accepted.
'tas all. You are 'bloody alright' in my book, cowgirl speak or not. :-)
Yeah, hamas the bad one which use their tanks and bombs to destroy hospitals and civilian infrastructure as well as snipers and drones targeting children playing near tents... oh wait... all the awful killings are all commited by israel. My bad 😒
We can estimate the death toll by calculating the fertility rate or growth rate for the population and extrapolating.
Palestinian women appear to have a lot of children each, even before they were being wiped out, so the growth rate is high.
A plausible figure is 4% growth per annum. Based on historical data for Palestine before major problems began.
The gaza population was 1 million and has risen to 2 million over 70 years. But it should have doubled within 20 years.
In order for it to take 70 years, a large number must have been dying unexpectedly.
If we assume an average population of 1.5 million over the whole period, and multiply by 4%, then we get an expected growth of 60,000 persons per annum. Over 70 years that is 4.2 million souls, the deficit is approximately 3 million.
In short, the fact that the Palestinian population has not increased by as much as would be expected reveals that millions have very likely died due to the conditions.
Indirectly or otherwise.
Similar calculations in Iraq, Libya, Korea, Vietnam and elsewhere show that America has a much higher kill count.
They just spread the death out over a larger area.
Her "conviction"? Mate, that arch and twee little Selfie was about as far from the word as one can get. I couldn't listen to it all for the squirming fear it conveyed of who runs entertainment and media.
to be fair i didn't listen to it as French took the post down. i'm sick of people backing down and apologising in general though to appease the zio-fascists that run this world! Jeremy Corbyn had NOTHING to apologise for either - although he repeatedly apologised.
Corbyn (though a decent & honest man of great integrity) was weak, and let’s be honest…. Just a little bit dim. Imagining that you could make that faked antisemitism ‘crisis’ go away by appeasing appalling organisations like The Board of Deputies, The CAA, The CST, and the JC, shows a level of innocence, or stupidity that is Homeric! He also fed allies & colleagues to the Zionist wolves….. not a good look. Then it was a great pity that he didn’t have the nous & killer instinct to form a new party (Real Labour anyone) the moment he was kicked out by Kid Starver. He could have taken most of those 100,000s of new members with him. That would have had the PLP apparatchiks shitting in their pants. All too late now.😞
Agreed. he was a reluctant leader from the start and didn't have the balls for a fight, not even to defend his allies and hence he threw them under the bus; Chris Williamson, Jackie Walker, Marc Wadsworth etc etc. I argued at the time that he should have began deselecting the traitors - which Starmer did with relish the moment he came to power [on a pack of outright lies and false promises to the 'left'].
Corbyn should never have apologised, of course not, civil discourse was discredited-which was the point.
I think people might forget that not only were the Jewish lobby out to neuter him but the last remaining UK industry (weapons) would have been decimated if israel was deemed as vile as it is in terms of trade and human rights.
On the contrary, we already know why. They pulled it because their lords and masters support Israel's Netanyahu led, Zionist ideology and carnage of genocide of the Palestinian people. Those 'in charge' act corruptly, in similar vein to the ones whose perfidy created the State of Israel and caused the first dispossession of 750,000 Palestinians from their land.
The BBC does as it is told when royalty, the wealthy, the powerful and the influential right wing lobbyists dictate to them.
I am sorry that politics have become so disgracefully bitter and twisted in Britain that all its decent values are being utterly trashed. Shame on those in power.
So the Vicar of Dibley can't stand tall and voice her own opinions without chickening out later? And it didn't do her a bit of good it sounds like. Stand courageous and NEVER back down, Dawn!
Maybe someone needs to explain to French that being "one-sided" is exactly the point when you "criticise" those executing "Genocidal Ethnic Cleansing"? There is no "impartiality" when describing the Monsters carrying out such deliberate acts of pure unadulterated crimes against humanity?
There has never been any really significant 'left wing' ideology in Britain. The average citizen has always succumbed to an indoctrinated view that he or she should know and 'keep their place' for this was how things were meant to be. That those that rule have a right to do so and are the best able to do so has been well implanted in the British psyche and largely remains so - hence the acceptance of a corrupt monarchy and obsequious fawning of a King who deceived a naive young girl into marriage in order to provide heirs to the throne, whilst already having a long time relationship with another woman and maintaining that woman throughout his marriage to that girl - a woman whose shoes he was never fit to lick.
If you wish to understand this appalling manipulation of the British people you need only read: "The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists" by Robert Tressell - probably the best depicting of this appalling affliction that the British people suffer.
I can't agree with your assertion. I am from a British working class family and a keen student of politics and have seen no evidence of any significant 'left wing' of political ideology in Britain. Quite the contrary in fact. I'd suggest that you read "The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists" and more if you really believe what you assert.
Of course, I accept that my view may be a mistaken one, however I have seen no evidence to suggest it.
Leaning against a pillar in Covent Garden decades ago a bumptious BBC woman shoved a Mic in my face and demanded "What do you think of Lady Di?" I said "I've never met her"
End of interview.
But I really doubt she was as completely naïve as you suggest. She came from an establishment family; no doubt.
Well you may doubt it and you may be right to do so. I can't know for sure but the fact that she came from "an establishment family" does not preclude naivety, nor does it alter the fact that she was used by an overly privileged man without scruples or honesty who was already in a long term and adulterous relationship which he had no intention of ending.
Perhaps I am wrong to do so or naive myself in feeling this way but I regard infidelity as one of the most despicable and hurtful behaviours towards a supposed intimate partner that is possible.
If two people agree, without coercion, to have relationships with others whilst continuing their relationship that's up to them. However when it is a secretive or hidden betrayal I cannot accept it as a decent or kind behaviour.
Of course, as a commoner without status, privilege or wealth of any kind, I can't know all that was known or that happened. So, if I'm wrong, then I'm wrong and if someone can evidence it then I will need to rethink at least some of what I currently believe now. My knowledge is limited to reading of various commentary and accounts and I admit to having no fondness for monarchy or any type of elitist hierarchy or 'divine right' to rule, let alone to pass on that right by procreation, so yes, perhaps I have a bias. In mitigation or explanation I can only say that what I have understood from a range of sources does not suggest Diana had either prior knowledge or approval for Charles's infidelity. Nor have I seen anything to suggest that she would have pursued the relationship had she been aware.
"Infidelity" or being "unfaithful", as far as I am aware, means to break a promise. Maybe, society as a whole needs a radical reassessment of why we 1. Make such promises 2. Why we regard such promises as necessary and 3. Why breaking such promises is regarded as being of such paramount importance in relationships between the sexes? Maybe a radical rethinking of what constitutes a "faithful" relationship in the first instance needs to be undertaken, since its purpose in what is regarded as a "family unit" in present day socety, may not be as profound, and useful, as it once was?
Your definition of 'infidelity' or 'unfaithful' is valid but neglects context and is therefore simplistic and easily read as misleading given that you then clearly comment on "relationships between the sexes" and, given this discussion, effectively: 'marriage.'
The actual points you make are certainly worthy of discussion because they are very relevant to social norms in belief and practice, at least in the western societies with which I am most familiar, i.e. UK, USA and Australia. Research, intellectual examination, philosophy and other examination of cultural practises and their validity, suitability, understanding or meaning are certainly relevant to the questions you posit. Without doubt, they ought to be given serious consideration by girls and women, though of course men ought to consider them, too. I stress first 'girls and women' simply because these norms have a disproportionate impact on girls and women as compared with men.
However, the need for discussion, evaluation and rethinking of the nature, obligations and responsibilities associated with intimate relationships, particular those given some form of legal status such as that of marriage or where offspring are concerned, require attention to very much more than "fidelity" or its absence.
So, in this discussion, the comment to which I response is somewhat diverting from the point, rather than apposite to it, in spite of its quite genuine stating of questions that are long overdue for real consideration.
For those particularly interested in such matters, there is much worthwhile sound non-fiction and fictional material that illuminates the issues and provides "re-thinking" and, if you'll excuse the cliche´, food for thought. Here are titles of just a few that I consider well worthwhile:
Clementine Ford - *I don't*
Ann Oakley - *The Men's room*
Caitlin Moran - *How to be a woman*
Alain de Botton - *The Course of love*
Paula J Caplan - *The Myth of women's masochism*
Naomi Wolf - *Fire with fire*
Jean Bedford & Rosemary Creswell - *Colouring in*
Laurie Penny - *Unspeakable things*
... listed in no particular order of significance - make of them what you will and if you do read any or all and want to share your thoughts - I'd welcome an opportunity to hear (read) them.
In those circles infidelity is taken as given; to be expected. Good God, it's in every account of British history where upper echelon are mentioned.
Spencer is a noble family so entirely au fait with protocol, custom, history and the details (however sordid) of marriage.
I suppose one could postulate she was slightly gormless if she thought the Prince was going to play doting husband for more than six months but that might be an insult to her obvious intelligence and breeding.
"Yes she did", what? Are you referring to her being a child of parents from an 'establishment' background? If so, as I've said elsewhere, that does not preclude naivety nor excuse Charles's obnoxious and scurrilous behaviour.
I think there is a following, around 10m, but the media and establishment set out to destroy this in the early 20th century. They had to give us some crumbs after WW2. But since Thatcher...slowly, the status quo returns. JC got a lot of votes last time, remember.
You appear to be responding to my assertion that there has never been any real or significant 'left wing' political ideology in Britain and that the opposite is true.
If that is the case then I have absolutely no idea how you could arrive at such a conclusion or why you would then make contradictory statements which support what I suggested.
However, I dislike the method that Substack uses to track posts and responses in threads and have often found it to be in error or at least appear to be so. Perhaps this is a case in point.
Of course there was left wing, how did we get the N.H.S. and council houses? My point above is that since Thatcher, the power drive has been away from socialism and into capitalism and control of the masses.
Ok, whatever you say. However, it seems that you have a much lighter notion of what actual "Left Wing" politics are, than do I. - Hence, perhaps your insistence on refuting what I've said.
The establishment of the NHS and Council Houses are two initiatives that have significant differences so perhaps not the best examples to support you view when used together.
However, whether either of them is truly representative of a truly 'Left Wing' agenda is extremely debatable - I would suggest simplistic. At best they may conform, in some respects, with general Left Wing principles but unfortunately, also in many ways maintain right wing ideology.
Perhaps this is a discussion for another place because it needs much deeper thought than may be possibly expressed coherently here.
The one thing that I can probably agree with you about and with no reservation, is that Capitalism and Control of the masses - for the benefit of the few, are obnoxious elements of Right-Wing ideology.
As if the Bullingdon-approved fascism-facilitator — who character-assassinated Jeremy Corbyn, hijacked Labour, and ideologically-cleansed the Labour Party of everyone with any integrity, FOR THE SOLE SAKE OF ROBBING THE BRITISH PUBLIC OF ANY OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE LEFT — is the "left."
I wish the media would replace "left" with "socialism". Real socialism is the government taking care of ALL their people, not nanny-stating them or treating them as if they're stupid or inept, but real government...a fair distribution of wealth and opportunity. It's been too long that my kind of person has been labelled "loony left" - well, now, they have what they wanted: multi-nationals running every country in the world including gangsters OR a world econ. forum that wants communism (i.e. no-one has anything). Give UK residents their land back, that'd be a start; let's remove one layer of the class system.
I have absolutely no idea what your comment is supposed to mean or why you felt the need to shout much of it. If you can explain clearly and without the unnecessary hyperbole then I'd be interested to hear your view.
You'd have to ask an AI brain like Gary Marcus if this were possible and how it might be executed, but I hypothesize that Zionism has already taken over the digital information structures of the planet through all these "partnerships" with tech to start, and through machinations of Mossad, and through the admission that Israeli society has been very clever about technology development. As far as I'm concerned, folks need to be aware of a Zionist system of some kind invading the entirety of the planet.
And go ahead someone, tell me this is anti-Semitic; hell I just praised Israel's cleverness. So you see it IS anti-Zionist but ISN'T Antisemitic. HA!
Most of that wonder-Tech, IP , Comms, Military, Medical, Spy, Commercial was and is stolen by or given to israel and it's sayanim who then resell it on for glorious profit.
The US taxpayer funded most of the initial research and then uniformly illiterate, awkward and obnoxious ghouls such as Karp, Theil, Altman & Zukckerburg implement the most distasteful and murderous manipulations therefrom.
Why was Epstein so thoroughly ensconced at Harvard, why was Charles Lieber convicted and where is the latter now?
The greatest tragedy in the world today is that vulnerable victims like Kern and Oberman and their friends in the US are being made uncomfortable. To correct this terrible human rights violation, we must silence completely the Hamas-controlled independent media, the Hamas-controlled University students and faculties, the Hamas-controlled rogue states like Ireland and Sourh Africa and a hundred others, the Hamas-controlled UN, the Hamas-controlled internet with its fake videos of mangled children and demolished buildings, and the Hamas-controlled Mediterranean Sea with its do-gooder-filled ships. The only thing in the way of our goal is reality. Reality might win.
You are coming to understand that “power and control” of the direction that humanity has taken is, at this point in time, out of the hands of the vast majority of humanity. That agency, has been ripped from the hands of the individuals engaged in the enterprise of survival by a small group of psychotic narcissistic materialists who care nothing for the humanity they see simply as just another commodity, to be used and exploited to further their corrupt and venal goal of total control.
I understand what you mean but no, people are significantly different to sheep. Sheep herd together for security and out of instinct. People follow social norms into which they are indoctrinated, predominantly through schooling, institutional modelling and significant others. This may appear to be similar to sheep following one another but the difference is that beyond the fact that we are social animals and 'choose' to live in groups, we are capable of relatively high levels of thought and understanding and those who use their minds are well capable and often do transgress those 'norms' because they recognise that they are false, destructive, obsolescent, immoral or simply 'wrong.'
Self righteous demagogues will never accept that their glory days are over nor that they may have been or were flawed and should never have existed in any case. That is why so many hold on to obsolescent traditions, rituals and notions of a supposed magnificent British past of Empire. In fact, it was a time of the worst perversion, disruption, breach of human rights, lack of justice, dispossession, theft, fraud, distortion, human trafficking, slavery and prejudicial injustice that the World has probably ever known.
It’s a pity Dawn French apologized. She was probably threatened with the end of her career and other things. Britain is totally right wing now and the BBC simply isn’t reliable in any way. As for HAMAS, if this was happening in any other country they’d be freedom fighters.
Celebrities get a call at some awkward hour or the big names get taken to lunch and management gives them the career news. Who runs entertainment and the media?
The BBC concluded with: “At least 54,607 people have been killed in Gaza since then, including 4,335 since Israel resumed its offensive on 18 March, according to the Hamas-run Gaza health ministry.”
Is BBC writing “Hamas-run Gaza health ministry” meant to invalidate the IOF atrocities, crimes against humanity, and genocide?
Base hacks. Hell is too good for them.
It's a criticism I hear so often and the reason so many Israel apologists doubt the fatality figures they give. Yet time and again, throughout its history, it's figures have been proved to be accurate and correct. The fact that the Gaza health ministry is run by a despicable group like Hamas, whose terrorist acts not only harm Israelis but the Palestinians too, doesn't alter that.
Are you being sarcastic, or are you actually calling Hamas a “despicable group”?
Who the fuck do you think provided services for the Gazans? Built schools and universities? Maintained roads and water supplies? Did everything a governmental body is supposed to do?
You DO, realize, asshole, that the vast majority of the world’s nations do not classify Hamas as a “terrorist organization”? Only Amerikkka and its bitches.
And you clearly believe that history began on 10/7/23.
Your brain’s been twisted into a pretzel, shithead.
Ah, yes, my dear gyp, so well said. Anyone using that language is brain-rotted by Zionist propaganda -- so many available sources out there to provide that rubbish.
Bullseye! 🎯
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Thank you so much !!!
I'm starting to think that gypsy33 has a PHD in expletives ...
Dude, Normal Island is bizarro upside~down world. Recognize satire or we know you're a bot. Read some past posts or maybe The Onion for a while.
I ain’t no “dude”, shitforbrains.
And I was replying to an asinine comment, NOT LAURA.
Go fuck yourself if you can find your prick.
Thanks for telling us who you are. Goodbye.
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Add cowgirl to Rabelais, Chaucer and Ovid. Well spoke, point made.
So Hitler and streaming l Stalin are OK? They built hospitals, schools and universities too, but they're despicable. Any murderer is despicable in my book. Our lives are the one thing we truly own and anyone who takes that away from us is despicable in my book.
Gypsy33, As usual, I share your views. The substance of your comment is accurate and true. However, your inclusion of abusive name calling does you no credit and more importantly, will reduce your credibility and the very real and accurate understanding you share about the realities of the genocidal actions of Netayahu led Zionist Israel.
Roger, you’re a good guy. But I think I already explained once :
I speak cowgirl.
Yes, you did. I'm sorry for repeating my response. As I said, I do share your views and your passion for truth, honesty, compassion and what is 'humane', yet seems fast disappearing from humanity.
I am slum raised and and as capable of what you call 'cowgirl speak' and what my society called 'gutter talk', indeed at times I still revert to it instinctively when pushed in face to face confrontation with puerile dolts, right wing ideolgues and common 'fuckwits' but mostly, I avoid it because although it is 'in my blood' so to speak, I recognise that it will damage my credibility.
However, I accept that such is who I am, not who you are. So, I will try and remember and not repeat my advice. I meant no ill - on the contrary - I value your beliefs for they are right and just, I simply would prefer that they were widely considered and accepted.
'tas all. You are 'bloody alright' in my book, cowgirl speak or not. :-)
You’re a good man, Roger. I mean that.
Yeah, hamas the bad one which use their tanks and bombs to destroy hospitals and civilian infrastructure as well as snipers and drones targeting children playing near tents... oh wait... all the awful killings are all commited by israel. My bad 😒
Exactly, IKN.
The administries have only counted RECORDED deaths. We all are aware of the fact that there are far, far more unrecorded.
Actually, it's likely more than that.
We can estimate the death toll by calculating the fertility rate or growth rate for the population and extrapolating.
Palestinian women appear to have a lot of children each, even before they were being wiped out, so the growth rate is high.
A plausible figure is 4% growth per annum. Based on historical data for Palestine before major problems began.
The gaza population was 1 million and has risen to 2 million over 70 years. But it should have doubled within 20 years.
In order for it to take 70 years, a large number must have been dying unexpectedly.
If we assume an average population of 1.5 million over the whole period, and multiply by 4%, then we get an expected growth of 60,000 persons per annum. Over 70 years that is 4.2 million souls, the deficit is approximately 3 million.
In short, the fact that the Palestinian population has not increased by as much as would be expected reveals that millions have very likely died due to the conditions.
Indirectly or otherwise.
Similar calculations in Iraq, Libya, Korea, Vietnam and elsewhere show that America has a much higher kill count.
They just spread the death out over a larger area.
I just wish she had the courage of her conviction and not apologised!
Her "conviction"? Mate, that arch and twee little Selfie was about as far from the word as one can get. I couldn't listen to it all for the squirming fear it conveyed of who runs entertainment and media.
to be fair i didn't listen to it as French took the post down. i'm sick of people backing down and apologising in general though to appease the zio-fascists that run this world! Jeremy Corbyn had NOTHING to apologise for either - although he repeatedly apologised.
Yes, absolutely. And what of all the journalists they've imprisoned or castigated for criticising genocide?
Corbyn (though a decent & honest man of great integrity) was weak, and let’s be honest…. Just a little bit dim. Imagining that you could make that faked antisemitism ‘crisis’ go away by appeasing appalling organisations like The Board of Deputies, The CAA, The CST, and the JC, shows a level of innocence, or stupidity that is Homeric! He also fed allies & colleagues to the Zionist wolves….. not a good look. Then it was a great pity that he didn’t have the nous & killer instinct to form a new party (Real Labour anyone) the moment he was kicked out by Kid Starver. He could have taken most of those 100,000s of new members with him. That would have had the PLP apparatchiks shitting in their pants. All too late now.😞
Agreed. he was a reluctant leader from the start and didn't have the balls for a fight, not even to defend his allies and hence he threw them under the bus; Chris Williamson, Jackie Walker, Marc Wadsworth etc etc. I argued at the time that he should have began deselecting the traitors - which Starmer did with relish the moment he came to power [on a pack of outright lies and false promises to the 'left'].
Corbyn was the accidental leader. https://madammiaow.blogspot.com/2013/02/swp-sex-implosion-its-dehumanisation-in.html
It was insufferable, Frendo!
Corbyn should never have apologised, of course not, civil discourse was discredited-which was the point.
I think people might forget that not only were the Jewish lobby out to neuter him but the last remaining UK industry (weapons) would have been decimated if israel was deemed as vile as it is in terms of trade and human rights.
yes
Me too...i thought she was stronger than that...
This
Says the guy in a wheelchair wearing a keyiffah ! 🤣🤣🤣
and your point is? utter prick.
Wheel yourself along blaming them for all that ails you. 🤣
at least i don't hide behind a Benny Hill picture, knobhead. you sound like you're about 12 - does Mummy know you're on her computer?
That’s a bit rich coming from Keyiffah Lou!
you can't even spell :) utter moron
The fvck does that matter?Plenty of IDF with their limbs thankfully blown off by Gazan resistance still wear that terrifying blue star thing.
"Dawn French says sorry for posting 'one-sided' Gaza video
BBC
5 hours ago
The BBC pulled this story within a short time of publishing it, we'll never know why.
On the contrary, we already know why. They pulled it because their lords and masters support Israel's Netanyahu led, Zionist ideology and carnage of genocide of the Palestinian people. Those 'in charge' act corruptly, in similar vein to the ones whose perfidy created the State of Israel and caused the first dispossession of 750,000 Palestinians from their land.
The BBC does as it is told when royalty, the wealthy, the powerful and the influential right wing lobbyists dictate to them.
I am sorry that politics have become so disgracefully bitter and twisted in Britain that all its decent values are being utterly trashed. Shame on those in power.
Nothing changes. Colonialism.
So the Vicar of Dibley can't stand tall and voice her own opinions without chickening out later? And it didn't do her a bit of good it sounds like. Stand courageous and NEVER back down, Dawn!
#FreePalestine
Maybe someone needs to explain to French that being "one-sided" is exactly the point when you "criticise" those executing "Genocidal Ethnic Cleansing"? There is no "impartiality" when describing the Monsters carrying out such deliberate acts of pure unadulterated crimes against humanity?
What! Freedom of expression is dead I this country. all those who voted left are now reaping what they sow...
What 'left?' There is no left in the bastardised British Empire. They are clones of the USA
There has never been any really significant 'left wing' ideology in Britain. The average citizen has always succumbed to an indoctrinated view that he or she should know and 'keep their place' for this was how things were meant to be. That those that rule have a right to do so and are the best able to do so has been well implanted in the British psyche and largely remains so - hence the acceptance of a corrupt monarchy and obsequious fawning of a King who deceived a naive young girl into marriage in order to provide heirs to the throne, whilst already having a long time relationship with another woman and maintaining that woman throughout his marriage to that girl - a woman whose shoes he was never fit to lick.
If you wish to understand this appalling manipulation of the British people you need only read: "The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists" by Robert Tressell - probably the best depicting of this appalling affliction that the British people suffer.
There was a 'left.' Blair put paid to that and Jeremy Corbyn was hounded for his anti-Zionist views..
I can't agree with your assertion. I am from a British working class family and a keen student of politics and have seen no evidence of any significant 'left wing' of political ideology in Britain. Quite the contrary in fact. I'd suggest that you read "The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists" and more if you really believe what you assert.
Of course, I accept that my view may be a mistaken one, however I have seen no evidence to suggest it.
Leaning against a pillar in Covent Garden decades ago a bumptious BBC woman shoved a Mic in my face and demanded "What do you think of Lady Di?" I said "I've never met her"
End of interview.
But I really doubt she was as completely naïve as you suggest. She came from an establishment family; no doubt.
Well you may doubt it and you may be right to do so. I can't know for sure but the fact that she came from "an establishment family" does not preclude naivety, nor does it alter the fact that she was used by an overly privileged man without scruples or honesty who was already in a long term and adulterous relationship which he had no intention of ending.
Perhaps I am wrong to do so or naive myself in feeling this way but I regard infidelity as one of the most despicable and hurtful behaviours towards a supposed intimate partner that is possible.
If two people agree, without coercion, to have relationships with others whilst continuing their relationship that's up to them. However when it is a secretive or hidden betrayal I cannot accept it as a decent or kind behaviour.
Of course, as a commoner without status, privilege or wealth of any kind, I can't know all that was known or that happened. So, if I'm wrong, then I'm wrong and if someone can evidence it then I will need to rethink at least some of what I currently believe now. My knowledge is limited to reading of various commentary and accounts and I admit to having no fondness for monarchy or any type of elitist hierarchy or 'divine right' to rule, let alone to pass on that right by procreation, so yes, perhaps I have a bias. In mitigation or explanation I can only say that what I have understood from a range of sources does not suggest Diana had either prior knowledge or approval for Charles's infidelity. Nor have I seen anything to suggest that she would have pursued the relationship had she been aware.
"Infidelity" or being "unfaithful", as far as I am aware, means to break a promise. Maybe, society as a whole needs a radical reassessment of why we 1. Make such promises 2. Why we regard such promises as necessary and 3. Why breaking such promises is regarded as being of such paramount importance in relationships between the sexes? Maybe a radical rethinking of what constitutes a "faithful" relationship in the first instance needs to be undertaken, since its purpose in what is regarded as a "family unit" in present day socety, may not be as profound, and useful, as it once was?
Your definition of 'infidelity' or 'unfaithful' is valid but neglects context and is therefore simplistic and easily read as misleading given that you then clearly comment on "relationships between the sexes" and, given this discussion, effectively: 'marriage.'
The actual points you make are certainly worthy of discussion because they are very relevant to social norms in belief and practice, at least in the western societies with which I am most familiar, i.e. UK, USA and Australia. Research, intellectual examination, philosophy and other examination of cultural practises and their validity, suitability, understanding or meaning are certainly relevant to the questions you posit. Without doubt, they ought to be given serious consideration by girls and women, though of course men ought to consider them, too. I stress first 'girls and women' simply because these norms have a disproportionate impact on girls and women as compared with men.
However, the need for discussion, evaluation and rethinking of the nature, obligations and responsibilities associated with intimate relationships, particular those given some form of legal status such as that of marriage or where offspring are concerned, require attention to very much more than "fidelity" or its absence.
So, in this discussion, the comment to which I response is somewhat diverting from the point, rather than apposite to it, in spite of its quite genuine stating of questions that are long overdue for real consideration.
For those particularly interested in such matters, there is much worthwhile sound non-fiction and fictional material that illuminates the issues and provides "re-thinking" and, if you'll excuse the cliche´, food for thought. Here are titles of just a few that I consider well worthwhile:
Clementine Ford - *I don't*
Ann Oakley - *The Men's room*
Caitlin Moran - *How to be a woman*
Alain de Botton - *The Course of love*
Paula J Caplan - *The Myth of women's masochism*
Naomi Wolf - *Fire with fire*
Jean Bedford & Rosemary Creswell - *Colouring in*
Laurie Penny - *Unspeakable things*
... listed in no particular order of significance - make of them what you will and if you do read any or all and want to share your thoughts - I'd welcome an opportunity to hear (read) them.
In those circles infidelity is taken as given; to be expected. Good God, it's in every account of British history where upper echelon are mentioned.
Spencer is a noble family so entirely au fait with protocol, custom, history and the details (however sordid) of marriage.
I suppose one could postulate she was slightly gormless if she thought the Prince was going to play doting husband for more than six months but that might be an insult to her obvious intelligence and breeding.
V. likely a Goldsmith.
Yes she did.
"Yes she did", what? Are you referring to her being a child of parents from an 'establishment' background? If so, as I've said elsewhere, that does not preclude naivety nor excuse Charles's obnoxious and scurrilous behaviour.
Yes. Generally I take absolutely no notice of these people. They are not important.
Thank you, Roger! I will read that book.
I think there is a following, around 10m, but the media and establishment set out to destroy this in the early 20th century. They had to give us some crumbs after WW2. But since Thatcher...slowly, the status quo returns. JC got a lot of votes last time, remember.
No, it's the reverse. A lot of power in central London, always was. Colonialism, Freemasonry, Satanic worship.
You appear to be responding to my assertion that there has never been any real or significant 'left wing' political ideology in Britain and that the opposite is true.
If that is the case then I have absolutely no idea how you could arrive at such a conclusion or why you would then make contradictory statements which support what I suggested.
However, I dislike the method that Substack uses to track posts and responses in threads and have often found it to be in error or at least appear to be so. Perhaps this is a case in point.
Of course there was left wing, how did we get the N.H.S. and council houses? My point above is that since Thatcher, the power drive has been away from socialism and into capitalism and control of the masses.
Ok, whatever you say. However, it seems that you have a much lighter notion of what actual "Left Wing" politics are, than do I. - Hence, perhaps your insistence on refuting what I've said.
The establishment of the NHS and Council Houses are two initiatives that have significant differences so perhaps not the best examples to support you view when used together.
However, whether either of them is truly representative of a truly 'Left Wing' agenda is extremely debatable - I would suggest simplistic. At best they may conform, in some respects, with general Left Wing principles but unfortunately, also in many ways maintain right wing ideology.
Perhaps this is a discussion for another place because it needs much deeper thought than may be possibly expressed coherently here.
The one thing that I can probably agree with you about and with no reservation, is that Capitalism and Control of the masses - for the benefit of the few, are obnoxious elements of Right-Wing ideology.
As if the Bullingdon-approved fascism-facilitator — who character-assassinated Jeremy Corbyn, hijacked Labour, and ideologically-cleansed the Labour Party of everyone with any integrity, FOR THE SOLE SAKE OF ROBBING THE BRITISH PUBLIC OF ANY OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE LEFT — is the "left."
I wish the media would replace "left" with "socialism". Real socialism is the government taking care of ALL their people, not nanny-stating them or treating them as if they're stupid or inept, but real government...a fair distribution of wealth and opportunity. It's been too long that my kind of person has been labelled "loony left" - well, now, they have what they wanted: multi-nationals running every country in the world including gangsters OR a world econ. forum that wants communism (i.e. no-one has anything). Give UK residents their land back, that'd be a start; let's remove one layer of the class system.
I have absolutely no idea what your comment is supposed to mean or why you felt the need to shout much of it. If you can explain clearly and without the unnecessary hyperbole then I'd be interested to hear your view.
She explained it. The media and establishment have removed left wing voters from being effective.
Are you seriously suggesting that Starmer and his neoliberal ghouls are 'the left'?
BBC collect £15 a month for every household only to show bias news.
Im wondering why UK politicians turn a blind eye from ongoing genocide in Gaza.
You'd have to ask an AI brain like Gary Marcus if this were possible and how it might be executed, but I hypothesize that Zionism has already taken over the digital information structures of the planet through all these "partnerships" with tech to start, and through machinations of Mossad, and through the admission that Israeli society has been very clever about technology development. As far as I'm concerned, folks need to be aware of a Zionist system of some kind invading the entirety of the planet.
And go ahead someone, tell me this is anti-Semitic; hell I just praised Israel's cleverness. So you see it IS anti-Zionist but ISN'T Antisemitic. HA!
Why not say "Jews"?
Most of that wonder-Tech, IP , Comms, Military, Medical, Spy, Commercial was and is stolen by or given to israel and it's sayanim who then resell it on for glorious profit.
The US taxpayer funded most of the initial research and then uniformly illiterate, awkward and obnoxious ghouls such as Karp, Theil, Altman & Zukckerburg implement the most distasteful and murderous manipulations therefrom.
Why was Epstein so thoroughly ensconced at Harvard, why was Charles Lieber convicted and where is the latter now?
The greatest tragedy in the world today is that vulnerable victims like Kern and Oberman and their friends in the US are being made uncomfortable. To correct this terrible human rights violation, we must silence completely the Hamas-controlled independent media, the Hamas-controlled University students and faculties, the Hamas-controlled rogue states like Ireland and Sourh Africa and a hundred others, the Hamas-controlled UN, the Hamas-controlled internet with its fake videos of mangled children and demolished buildings, and the Hamas-controlled Mediterranean Sea with its do-gooder-filled ships. The only thing in the way of our goal is reality. Reality might win.
You are coming to understand that “power and control” of the direction that humanity has taken is, at this point in time, out of the hands of the vast majority of humanity. That agency, has been ripped from the hands of the individuals engaged in the enterprise of survival by a small group of psychotic narcissistic materialists who care nothing for the humanity they see simply as just another commodity, to be used and exploited to further their corrupt and venal goal of total control.
To my mind: The great British Empire is dead BUT it won't let itself die. Why?
Misogynist politics.
This "EMERALD ISLE" could be a place of peace.
Grow your own food/support the earth BUT the people are like sheep.
I understand what you mean but no, people are significantly different to sheep. Sheep herd together for security and out of instinct. People follow social norms into which they are indoctrinated, predominantly through schooling, institutional modelling and significant others. This may appear to be similar to sheep following one another but the difference is that beyond the fact that we are social animals and 'choose' to live in groups, we are capable of relatively high levels of thought and understanding and those who use their minds are well capable and often do transgress those 'norms' because they recognise that they are false, destructive, obsolescent, immoral or simply 'wrong.'
Self righteous demagogues will never accept that their glory days are over nor that they may have been or were flawed and should never have existed in any case. That is why so many hold on to obsolescent traditions, rituals and notions of a supposed magnificent British past of Empire. In fact, it was a time of the worst perversion, disruption, breach of human rights, lack of justice, dispossession, theft, fraud, distortion, human trafficking, slavery and prejudicial injustice that the World has probably ever known.
Are you suggesting 'we' try and take over Ireland - again?
It’s a pity Dawn French apologized. She was probably threatened with the end of her career and other things. Britain is totally right wing now and the BBC simply isn’t reliable in any way. As for HAMAS, if this was happening in any other country they’d be freedom fighters.
Celebrities get a call at some awkward hour or the big names get taken to lunch and management gives them the career news. Who runs entertainment and the media?
THE OCTOBER 7 FOOTAGE IS AI-GENERATED.
You can verify it for yourself by zooming in on limbs, hands, feet, and faces (among other physics violations) at 1080p / .25x
It was a kidnapping mission.
Just look.
Israhell has the right to kiss my Irish ASS!!
Do people always turn into the ones they used to poke fun at? Seems so. Luvvies all.