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Paul Snyder's avatar

I realize this is a great forum for snark and satire, though in all seriousness regarding the flotilla action:

JNS is a Zionist propaganda rag, but they’re great at telegraphing the arguments that will be used by Israel and its operatives once an action is taken.

https://www.jns.org/why-attempting-to-breach-a-maritime-blockade-is-dangerous/

I’ve been involved in security/safety planning for marine protests. Not in the Mediterranean, but still…

There’s a MUCH greater probability than not that activists will be intentionally targeted and killed in this action. UNCLOS will be disregarded, as it has in the past by Israel and the targeting of flotilla vessels will be applauded by the worst elements of the Netanyahu coalition.

There will be zero international accountability for the Netanyahu regime. They’ve already got Rubio’s apologist script prepared. If international attention gets too hot, they’ll just strike another gulf target for distraction purposes. Turkiye seems next on the list.

No joke.

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Paul Snyder's avatar

At this moment, Italy is supposedly providing a military escort for some vessels. From what I understand, it’s not in place yet, but en route.

My opinion is that it will make no difference, even if the escort vessel is from a NATO state. As a reminder, Israel has made statements of their complete willingness to strike another NATO state (Turkiye).

This whole thing can go very dark very fast. Most people don’t recognize the lethality and sophistication of the technology currently involved. They’re not going to go out and board this number of vessels.

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Michael  Lynch's avatar

It’s simple. Any nation that offers protection to these flotillas is instantly branded ‘anti-Semitic.’ That’s the Zionists’ go-to shield. They’ll do whatever they please, and when challenged, they drag out the ultimate excuse—‘the Holocaust.’

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Katy's avatar

The Holocaust that in many ways they are now replicating. I cannot think of a bigger insult to those who died in or lived through the Holocaust.

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Michael  Lynch's avatar

"Palestinian resistance—from the 1936 general strike to the 1948 Nakba—was met with the familiar counter-insurgency of empire: collective punishment, home demolitions, and legal erasure. When the State of Israel declared independence in 1948, over 700,000 Palestinians were expelled or fled, their villages depopulated or destroyed. This was not an unfortunate by-product; it was the structural necessity of a settler project.”

Call it what it really is: the logic resembles Lebensraum—clearing ethnic “obstacles” to make room for expansion. Some might even go so far as to call it Lebensraum II. The same reasoning that drove the Nazis eastward was recycled after the war under the protection of the West. The only change was who got marked for erasure. Where Slavs, Roma, Jews, and political opponents once stood in the way of German conquest, Palestinians became the disposable population in the way of Israel’s statehood. And the West, Jew and Gentile alike, blessed the project by pretending it was something else. This was the “Great Apology” — offered by winners and losers alike.

The hypocrisy was global. While Washington and London thundered about Nazi crimes, they were quietly airlifting Nazi scientists, spymasters, and engineers into their own ranks under Operation Paperclip. Rocket men, chemical war experts, even SS officers were absorbed into NASA, the Pentagon, and the CIA. The lesson was unmistakable: the evil wasn’t in the methods—only in losing the war. If the Reich’s tools could serve empire, they would be kept.

And here lies the brutal irony. A people who had just endured the ghettos and the concentration camps emerged with a state that almost immediately began to ghettoize and expel another people. From persecuted to persecutor in a single generation—not Jews as a whole, but the Zionist state that claimed to act in their name. Gaza became the cage, Palestinians the displaced. The logic of collective punishment and erasure—once used against Jews—was now institutionalized by Israel, sanctified through historic suffering, and subsidized by the same West that had quietly recycled the Nazi brain trust.

Fast forward to Gaza today. The blueprint hasn’t changed. You don’t bomb a strip of land into rubble, cut off food, water, and power, and openly declare it “uninhabitable” unless you’re running the same program: clear the land, erase the people, and call it survival. Where Slavs, Roma, Jews, and political opponents once stood marked for elimination, Palestinians now bear the weight of that same machinery. What once flew the swastika now hides behind democracy, human rights, and eternal guilt.

And before the chorus chimes in with October 7—as if one day of horror erases nearly a century of dispossession—let’s be clear: that event was not the beginning of violence. It was the inevitable outcome of decades of abuse—abuse that bred hatred across an entire population. A convenient spark to ignite what was already prepared. One only needs to glance at the map of Palestine—pre-1946, before partition, before the settlements metastasized—to see the truth. Piece by piece, village by village, acre by acre, the indigenous people have been driven out of their historic lands. How could these actions not generate a wave of anger that finally crested on October 7? That event didn’t create that map; it merely offered cover to finish the job.

Strip away the imperial excuses and it’s the same colonial engine grinding on. Settler colonialism demands vacancy. It doesn’t care whether you call the victims Slavs, Roma, Jews, political dissidents, or Palestinians. It doesn’t care whether the perpetrators wear jackboots, lab coats, or the uniform of a Zionist state. It only cares that the land is emptied, the memory erased, and much of the world is trained or coerced to applaud. After all, “the Holocaust” is still invoked as the shield to justify everything.

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Davina's avatar

A one day of resistance that Israel used again by killing 1,200 of its own people in order to blame Hamas - ignore the bullshit about not letting them be taken hours hostage by rogue state that has thousands of hostages in its torture prisons, even to raping a man to death, yet they keep claiming they are the victims - never have, not once in all its history just lied, and lied and us still lying.

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Jane Baker's avatar

And the CIA also got a certain A.Hitler + his wife Eva to Argentina where they lived as a boring suburban couple of old folks and died in the mid 1960s because real life doesnt have the apotheosis stories do.

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Michael  Lynch's avatar

That would have been the OSS as CIA did not exist until 1947. Hundreds, possibly thousands of Nazi's escaped through Operation Paperclip, the Vatican's Ratlines and several other official and unofficial channels. Many thousands of them quietly folded back into German society. I have read the stories about the Austrian Corporal, his Bride and South America. I would not dare to suggest that the story was not at least plausible.

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Michael  Lynch's avatar

Because the Holocaust was never what you were taught it was.

Here is a good piece by Chris Hedges: https://open.substack.com/pub/chrishedges/p/death-of-the-holocaust-industry-read?r=cu55h&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false

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Mitch Ritter's avatar

As if the Palestinians (Arabs) are NOT SEMITES! This could be the true legacy of the anti-Semitism at root of Anglo Elite Educational systems all around the colonized world. Yet all the legacy news orgs claim they have fact checkers and not just automated de-intelligence....

Tio Mitchito

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Michael  Lynch's avatar

I understand that, I used the term because it is almost universally understood as "Jewish". Defending Palestine, in any wasy, is going to garner me the charge of "anti-Semite" in spite of the facts. Simple explanations for simple minds. A lot of people don't realize that fact that anyone who can trace their roots to that area is a Semite.

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Mitch Ritter's avatar

Dear Michael Lynch (& Davina, whose comment precedes ML's),

Semite is much less precise than saying a prejudiced view towards Jews may be labelled anti-Jewish rather than the much broader and linguistic rather than biologically racist slur anti-Semitic. I'm a Hebe with a family of Magyar and Slovak refugees who sought refuge in the mid-20th Century North American Empire of Washington.

Given the tactical advantage afforded by Mediterranean, Atlantic, Sea of Reeds, Suez Canal beside the Straits of Tiran where proximity and shipping lanes to North Africa, Asia, European Atlantic succeeded the Dynastic Assyrian, Nubian, Sudani & Nile River Delta-based Greco-Roman Egyptian Empires (mind yer Shakespeare) and to the north the Galilean Sea (really a riverine lake bordering Syria and 20th Century Colonial Anglo-Saudi creation of the Jordanian Kingdom) and the Imperial possession of the 600 year Ottoman (Turkish Sultanate) Empire that engulfed the Sinai Peninsula where Asia, North Africa and Jewel In the Crown of many an Eastern Mediterranean empire back pre-Christian Scriptures and up through the Turkish Ottoman dispossession of the Anglo Imperial Jewel In the Crown, or consider the Hellenic-Greek City-State Pocket Empires, the sprawling Persian Empire, Nabatean Empire each and all of whom should be referenced here which I like to think of as the Compact Colonial Conquest Inter-Continental Guide to Her\His-torical Club Med:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabataeans

(in deference to their absorption or extinction or mere loss of a Press Agent\Publicist or Divine Claim although the archaeological record shows them to have been Administrative Wizards well before the 20th Century schlepped in all the Red Tape), the Greco-Roman-Trojan Empires, Seleucid Empire, various Amazigh & Arab Empires, the Christian French, Anglo and Spanish empires that all laid claim to the biblical & Levantine coastline & left the latter-day Imperial Empires an awful lot of filing cabinets... Not too many post-Scriptural records of Judean Imperial footprint...Could mytho-poetics describe the prevailing narrative oral narratives?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Mediterranean_region

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_antiquity

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyria

(Hebrew biblical reference as Ashura and not to be confused with

biblical or modern Hebrew Surya for the Syrian empires)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabataeans

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenistic_period

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egypt

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seleucid_Empire

https://omniatlas.com/maps/eastern-mediterranean/61123/

https://moorishtimes.com/en/articles/tamazgha-history

https://thevalfers.com/morocco/amazigh-berber-history-of-the-mediterranean/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_colonialism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Empire

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire

https://www.britishempire.co.uk/maproom/mideast.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardinia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malta

Possession is 9/10ths of the Law and the Anglo Empire (recall, where the "sun never sets") possessed Philistia\Judea well before the name Israel made it onto the Anglo shipping route maps & long before contact with Spanish Cartographers who began using the Christian Conquest Scriptural name(s) & symbology, in deference to Christian colonialism and rapacious "THEFT" (as per larcenous presumably Anglo reader\commenter Davina's smug line 2 hours ago that says in its entirety (if she doesn't delete it) "No one ever said "Jews never steal". We sure schlepped our adopted tongues around with us, as witnessed in very many poly-linguistic records that rarely had Armed or Naval Forces to institutionalize that Hebrew tongue via Imperial Cartography.

Tio Mitchito ™

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Davina's avatar

No one ever said "Jews never steal".

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Baz's avatar

Oh FUCK🫣

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Adeel Mirza's avatar

There is no way they would attack Turkey. Turkey would smash them up...

The Devil Israel states of america only attack weak nations because that's what bullies do...

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Rebel Nun's avatar

But they attacked Iran…I honestly think they believe they have Uncle Sam over their shoulder threatening nuclear annihilation to any “enemy” they choose. Total immunity.

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Adeel Mirza's avatar

Possibly, and Israel does own America in every sense. However, Iran are isolated, but Turkey is a NATO member...

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Baz's avatar

They need a friendly international Navy Escort - is that a possibility Paul - could it ever happen?

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Jane Baker's avatar

Fat chance of our Sir Keir sending our UK Navy.

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Baz's avatar

Indeed,Jane, here’s my pithy remark from elsewhere on Substack:

Now that Starmer recognises Palestine won’t he be sending the Royal Navy to escort the Flotilla to the newly recognised state?

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Jane Baker's avatar

That's just what I've just said but in much less fluent and knowledgeable words. If you play Russian roulette the bullets are loaded.

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Elizabeth Chandler's avatar

This is what I fear . Partly because the Zionists enjoy the slaughter so much . It is way beyond an addiction . It is their total dedication , as appears with their “Hannibal Directive”.

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Wayne C's avatar

Netanyyahoo and his gang of ruthless thugs are such vile creatures. The reactions to Netanyahoo’s actions will last for decades. Israelis will not know peace for generations.

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Charisse Davis, MPH's avatar

Trump set the example—or maybe Netanyahu used Trump.

They are both criminals who must be tried by the ICC at The Hague.

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Davina's avatar

Yep. The promise of a gold painted statue did it, only he was told it would be a golden statue, and believed it. Why would anyone else bother when he just uses gold coloured paint?

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Emma's avatar

The only group of people the Hague convention treat as criminals are mothers trying to escape domestic abuse.

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Susan Harley's avatar

Makes you proud to be British and complicit in Genocide 😢🇵🇸❤️‍🩹

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AppropriatedProductions's avatar

Thank God Starmer is on the case

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Jane Baker's avatar

Ha ha ha.

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Baz's avatar

Bloody pacifists - they’re asking for it.

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Linda Palmer's avatar

Please take care everyone in the Flotilla. You are heroes ❤️💖❤️

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Erica Paul's avatar

Netanjahu needs medical observation (in a prison)

for rage-induced insanity. Did he blow up the protecting dophins? You know how anti-semitic they are!

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salahuddin c's avatar

Now if Wee Tommy or Sexy Yvette were voluntarily dropped on any of the boats from a very great height it would be a sacrifice of biblical import - and an appropriately uplifting meal for any nearby sea birds too.

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Explorer's avatar

SPOT ON!!

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Susan Lionheart's avatar

Netanyahu must be stopped!

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Adeel Mirza's avatar

how can you stop Satan?

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Tracy Harrison's avatar

If every other country's leaders in the world grew a spine...

and stood together

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Rebel Nun's avatar

The leaders of the “Great Powers” want a piece of the New Gaza and its natural gas, and of “Greater Israel” generally.

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Davina's avatar

Israel must be stopped.

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RakB's avatar

Such brave beautiful people putting their lives at risk to save others 💗

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Jennifer Armerding's avatar

When I’m in ANY stressful situation I find ABBA is the answer. I’ve said it before that there’s no wrong application of ABBA. (Jamming radios for psychological warfare might be the closest example of a wrong application… but simple me never even dreamed of that one.) I wonder what song the Zionist commandants chose? “Knowing me. Knowing you. Ah hah. There is nothing we can do.”?

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Rebel Nun's avatar

It’s so typical of Israel that they don’t know that ABBA makes people happy. They are Sparta: no sense of humor and no capacity for joy.

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Adeel Mirza's avatar

The Devil Israel states of america is the Antichrist.

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Omg Laura x, one of your best yet.

Please keep you razor wit and sanity for the insane duplicity and outright f..king madness being demonstrated to the world with the attacks on the only sane response to Gaza atm trying to break the siege with defences people trying to hand over baby formula.

Where the f..k are our navy’s? They cost us tax payers billions per year, when we need them the most… MIA missing in action, we hear crickets at sea. It’s such a disgrace.

Shame, shame, shame!

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Scarlett's avatar

It wouldn't be very English to make ugly scenes on the subject of Bibi's essential right to protect himself against Hamas mighty weapon - Greta. As long as nobody remembers what happened to his corruption charges and the trial.

Are there American citizens sailing and my personal favorite Great Redhead - Susan Sarandon who could charm anyone into submission?

And where is the navy to protect them? My bet, they sent marines to go Noreiga on Maduro.

Speaking of the small dick moves, Bibi and co are masters of disguise. Dropping a cigarette aka chemical weapon on a civilian ship with baby formula on board. You guys, there is "The Chemical Weapons Convention" out there and UN assembly in session to strongly condemn you bunch of idiots. Forking untouchables.

If it comes to honor, those people who fought and bled for their country, something needs to be done . Like a guillotine in Trafalgar Square for those who left men at sea defenseless.

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Rebel Nun's avatar

There are 22 US citizens on the Flotilla, including one from my Congressional district. I have sent my most vitriolic email yet to my Congressman about his betrayal of a constituent.

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